{"number":16,"title":"Of sinne after Baptisme","part":null,"questions":[],"paragraphs":["16.1"],"clauses":[],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"Not euery deadly sinne willingly commited after Baptisme, is sinne against the holy Ghost, and vnpardonable. Wherefore the grant of repentance is not to be denied to such as fall into sinne after Baptisme. After we haue receiued the holy Ghost we may depart from grace giuen, and into sinne, and by the grace of God (wee may) rise againe, and amend our liues. And therefore they are to be condemned, which say, they can no more sinne, as long as they liue heere, or denie place of forgiuenes to such as truly repent.","segments":[{"text":"Not euery deadly sinne willingly commited after Baptisme, is sinne against the holy Ghost, and vnpardonable. Wherefore the grant of repentance is not to be denied to such as fall into sinne after Baptisme. After we haue receiued the holy Ghost we may depart from grace giuen, and into sinne, and by the grace of God (wee may) rise againe, and amend our liues. And therefore they are to be condemned, which say, they can no more sinne, as long as they liue heere, or denie place of forgiuenes to such as truly repent.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"The propositions.","segments":[{"text":"The propositions.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"1. Euery sinne committed after Baptisme, is not the sinne aganst the holy Ghost.","segments":[{"text":"1. Euery sinne committed after Baptisme, is not the sinne aganst the holy Ghost.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"2. The very regenerate may depart from grace giuen, and fall into sinne, and yet rise againe, vnto newnesse of life.","segments":[{"text":"2. The very regenerate may depart from grace giuen, and fall into sinne, and yet rise againe, vnto newnesse of life.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"3. No men vtterly are to be cast off, as reprobates, which vnfainedly repent.","segments":[{"text":"3. No men vtterly are to be cast off, as reprobates, which vnfainedly repent.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]}]},{"question":"","answer":"1. Proposition. Euery sinne committed after Baptisme, is not the sinne against the holy Ghost.","segments":[{"text":"1. Proposition. Euery sinne committed after Baptisme, is not the sinne against the holy Ghost.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"The proofe from Gods word.","segments":[{"text":"The proofe from Gods word.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"Though euery sinne in it selfe considered deserueth damnation: yet is there a sinne which shall be punished with many; and a sinne, which shall be punished with few stripes: a sinne vnto death and a sinn not vnto death, a sinne against the Father, and the Sonne, which shallbe forgiuen; and a sinne against the holy Ghost, which neuer shallbe forgiuen.","segments":[{"text":"Though euery sinne in it selfe considered deserueth damnation: yet is there a sinne which shall be punished with many; and a sinne, which shall be punished with few stripes:","proofs":["Luke 12:40"],"refs":[{"printed":"Luke 12:40","osis":["Luke.12.40"]}],"note":null},{"text":"a sinne vnto death and a sinn not vnto death,","proofs":["1 John 5:6"],"refs":[{"printed":"1 John 5:6","osis":["1John.5.6"]}],"note":null},{"text":"a sinne against the Father, and the Sonne, which shallbe forgiuen; and a sinne against the holy Ghost, which neuer shallbe forgiuen.","proofs":["Matthew 13:31","Mark 3:29","Luke 22:10"],"refs":[{"printed":"Matthew 13:31","osis":["Matt.13.31"]},{"printed":"Mark 3:29","osis":["Mark.3.29"]},{"printed":"Luke 22:10","osis":["Luke.22.10"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"So in their extant confessions witnesse the Churches in Bohem. Saxonie, and Heluetia.","segments":[{"text":"So in their extant confessions witnesse the Churches in Bohem.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Confess. Bohe. c 4."},{"text":"Saxonie,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Confess. Sax. ar. 10."},{"text":"and Heluetia.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Confess. Helv. 2. c. 8."}],"items":[]}]},{"question":"","answer":"Errors, & adversaries vnto this truth.","segments":[{"text":"Errors, & adversaries vnto this truth.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"Diuerslly hath this doctrine bin oppugned. For","segments":[{"text":"Diuerslly hath this doctrine bin oppugned. For","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Some haue thought all sinnes to be like, and equall, as the Stoikes, Pelagians, and Iouinians.","segments":[{"text":"Some haue thought all sinnes to be like, and equall, as the Stoikes, Pelagians,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Concil. Milevit."},{"text":"and Iouinians.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"D. Hieron. advers. Iouin."}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Some haue taught, as Manes the heretike, how none of the godly fathers, and others from the beginning of the world, till the 15. yeare of Tiberius the Emperour (though earnestly they did repent, were saued; but were all punished alike with vtter confusion.","segments":[{"text":"Some haue taught, as Manes the heretike,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Epiphan."},{"text":"how none of the godly fathers, and others from the beginning of the world, till the 15. yeare of Tiberius the Emperour (though earnestly they did repent, were saued; but were all punished alike with vtter confusion.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Some giue out that such persons be vtterly out of Gods fauour, and condemned, which depart out of this world, either afore they are baptized, as the Papists doe, or afore they come vnto yeares of discretion, as Hieranites did.","segments":[{"text":"Some giue out that such persons be vtterly out of Gods fauour, and condemned, which depart out of this world, either afore they are baptized, as the Papists doe,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Spec. peregrin. quaest. dec. 1. c. 3. q. 5. Position. Ingo stad. de Purgat."},{"text":"or afore they come vnto yeares of discretion, as Hieranites did.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Epiphan."}],"items":[]}]}]},{"question":"","answer":"2. Proposition. The very regenerate may depart from grace giuen and fall into sinne, and yet rise againe vnto newnes of life.","segments":[{"text":"2. Proposition. The very regenerate may depart from grace giuen and fall into sinne, and yet rise againe vnto newnes of life.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"The proofe from the word of God.","segments":[{"text":"The proofe from the word of God.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"That the Regenerate may fall into sinne, and yet rise againe, it is a doctrine grounded vpon the Scriptures. For in them wee euidently may see, that fall they may, partly by the admonitions of our Sauiour vnto the man healed of the Palsie, and vnto the adultresse; of S. Paul, vnto the Ephesians, Colossians,, Hebrewes, and Timothie, and of S. Peter vnto all the godly, and partly by the examples of Dauid, Salomon, Peter, who egregiously, and very offensiuely did fall, and that they doe fall, it is most euident by the fift petitiō of the Lords praier were nothing els to prooue the same, but see afore 9. art. Prop. 3. art. 12. prop. 2. art. 15. propo. 2.","segments":[{"text":"That the Regenerate may fall into sinne, and yet rise againe, it is a doctrine grounded vpon the Scriptures. For in them wee euidently may see, that fall they may, partly by the admonitions of our Sauiour vnto the man healed of the Palsie,","proofs":["John 5:14"],"refs":[{"printed":"John 5:14","osis":["John.5.14"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and vnto the adultresse;","proofs":["John 8:11"],"refs":[{"printed":"John 8:11","osis":["John.8.11"]}],"note":null},{"text":"of S. Paul, vnto the Ephesians,","proofs":["Ephesians 4:21–22"],"refs":[{"printed":"Ephesians 4:21–22","osis":["Eph.4.21-Eph.4.22"]}],"note":null},{"text":"Colossians,,","proofs":["Colossians 3:8"],"refs":[{"printed":"Colossians 3:8","osis":["Col.3.8"]}],"note":null},{"text":"Hebrewes,","proofs":["Hebrews 3:12"],"refs":[{"printed":"Hebrews 3:12","osis":["Heb.3.12"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and Timothie,","proofs":["1 Timothy 1:19","2 Timothy 4:3","2:22"],"refs":[{"printed":"1 Timothy 1:19","osis":["1Tim.1.19"]},{"printed":"2 Timothy 4:3","osis":["2Tim.4.3"]},{"printed":"2:22","osis":["2Tim.2.22"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and of S. Peter vnto all the godly,","proofs":["1 Peter 2:10","5:8","2 Peter 3:17"],"refs":[{"printed":"1 Peter 2:10","osis":["1Pet.2.10"]},{"printed":"5:8","osis":["1Pet.5.8"]},{"printed":"2 Peter 3:17","osis":["2Pet.3.17"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and partly by the examples of Dauid,","proofs":["2 Samuel 11:4"],"refs":[{"printed":"2 Samuel 11:4","osis":["2Sam.11.4"]}],"note":null},{"text":"Salomon,","proofs":["1 Kings 11:3"],"refs":[{"printed":"1 Kings 11:3","osis":["1Kgs.11.3"]}],"note":null},{"text":"Peter,","proofs":["Matthew 26:70, 72, 74"],"refs":[{"printed":"Matthew 26:70, 72, 74","osis":["Matt.26.70","Matt.26.72","Matt.26.74"]}],"note":null},{"text":"who egregiously, and very offensiuely did fall, and that they doe fall, it is most euident by the fift petitiō of the Lords praier were nothing els to prooue the same, but see afore 9. art. Prop. 3. art. 12. prop. 2. art. 15. propo. 2.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Next, that being fallen they may rise againe, and be saued, it is apparent both by the exhortations of the Angell vnto the Churches of Ephesus, Pergamus, and Thyatira, and by the examples of Peter, who denied, and yet afterward confessed his master Christ; and of all the disciples, who fled, and yet returned.","segments":[{"text":"Next, that being fallen they may rise againe, and be saued, it is apparent both by the exhortations of the Angell vnto the Churches of Ephesus, Pergamus, and Thyatira,","proofs":["Revelation 2"],"refs":[{"printed":"Revelation 2","osis":["Rev.2"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and by the examples of Peter, who denied,","proofs":["Luke 22:55"],"refs":[{"printed":"Luke 22:55","osis":["Luke.22.55"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and yet afterward confessed his master Christ;","proofs":["Acts 2:23"],"refs":[{"printed":"Acts 2:23","osis":["Acts.2.23"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and of all the disciples, who fled,","proofs":["Matthew 26:56"],"refs":[{"printed":"Matthew 26:56","osis":["Matt.26.56"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and yet returned.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"This both granted is, and published for truth by the Churches.","segments":[{"text":"This both granted is, and published for truth by the Churches.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Confess. Helv. 2. c. 7. Bohem. c. 5.8. Saxon. ar. 10, 11. Wittem. ar. 32. Suevica, ar. 15."}],"items":[]}]},{"question":"","answer":"The adversaries vnto this truth.","segments":[{"text":"The adversaries vnto this truth.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"Vnto this truth subscribe will not","segments":[{"text":"Vnto this truth subscribe will not","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Either by the Catharans, Nouatians, Iouinians, which thinke Gods people be regenerate into a pure, and Angelicall state, so that neither they be, nor can be defiled with any contagion of sinne.","segments":[{"text":"Either by the Catharans,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Magd. eccles. hist. cen. 12. c. 5."},{"text":"Nouatians,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Eus. l. 5. c. 43."},{"text":"Iouinians,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Magd. eccles. hist. cent. 4. c. 5."},{"text":"which thinke Gods people be regenerate into a pure, and Angelicall state, so that neither they be, nor can be defiled with any contagion of sinne.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Either the Libertines, whose opinions were that.","segments":[{"text":"Either the Libertines, whose opinions were that.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Whosoeuer hath Gods spirit in him, cannot sinne.","segments":[{"text":"Whosoeuer hath Gods spirit in him, cannot sinne.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Dauid sinned not after he had receiued the holy Ghost.","segments":[{"text":"Dauid sinned not after he had receiued the holy Ghost.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Wilkinson against the F. of Loue, ar. 14."}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Regeneration is the restoring of the estate wherein Adam was placed afore his fall.","segments":[{"text":"Regeneration is the restoring of the estate wherein Adam was placed afore his fall.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Calv. contra Libert. fol. 217."}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Or the Papists who are of minde that","segments":[{"text":"Or the Papists who are of minde that","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"The workes of men iustified are perfect in this life. No man which is fallen into sinne, can rise againe, and be saued without their Sacrament of Penance.","segments":[{"text":"The workes of men iustified are perfect in this life.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Tapp p. 189."},{"text":"No man which is fallen into sinne, can rise againe, and be saued without their Sacrament of Penance.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Concil. Trid. sess. 6. can. 29."}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"S. Francis attained vnto the perfection of holines, and could not sinne at all.","segments":[{"text":"S. Francis attained vnto the perfection of holines, and could not sinne at all.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Vis ad apicē venire perfectionis? Vita cum moribus attende B. Francisci."}],"items":[]}]}]},{"question":"","answer":"3. Proposition. No men vtterly are to be cast off, as reprobates which vnfainedly repent","segments":[{"text":"3. Proposition. No men vtterly are to be cast off, as reprobates which vnfainedly repent","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[{"question":"","answer":"Such as doe fall from grace, and yet returne againe vnto the Lord by true repentance, are to be receiued as members of Gods church: and this by the Scripture is verefied. For there wee read, that","segments":[{"text":"Such as doe fall from grace, and yet returne againe vnto the Lord by true repentance, are to be receiued as members of Gods church: and this by the Scripture is verefied. For there wee read, that","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"God would haue all men saued.","segments":[{"text":"God would haue all men saued.","proofs":["Matthew 11:28"],"refs":[{"printed":"Matthew 11:28","osis":["Matt.11.28"]}],"note":"Matth. 11.28. i. Tim. 2.4."}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"God is alwaies readie to receiue the penitent into fauour. For there is ioy in heauen for the sinner that conuerteth.","segments":[{"text":"God is alwaies readie to receiue the penitent into fauour. For there is ioy in heauen for the sinner that conuerteth.","proofs":["Luke 15:7"],"refs":[{"printed":"Luke 15:7","osis":["Luke.15.7"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Christ is grieued when sinners will not repent.","segments":[{"text":"Christ is grieued when sinners will not repent.","proofs":["Luke 19:41–42"],"refs":[{"printed":"Luke 19:41–42","osis":["Luke.19.41-Luke.19.42"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"He shall saue a soule from death, and hide a multitude of sinnes, which conuerteth a sinner from going astray out of his way.","segments":[{"text":"He shall saue a soule from death, and hide a multitude of sinnes, which conuerteth a sinner from going astray out of his way.","proofs":["James 5:20"],"refs":[{"printed":"James 5:20","osis":["Jas.5.20"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"The Lord would haue no man to perish, but al men to come to repentance.","segments":[{"text":"The Lord would haue no man to perish, but al men to come to repentance.","proofs":["2 Peter 3:9"],"refs":[{"printed":"2 Peter 3:9","osis":["2Pet.3.9"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"If wee acknowledge our sinnes, he is faithfull and iust to forgiue vs our sinnes, and to clense vs from all vnrighteousnesse.","segments":[{"text":"If wee acknowledge our sinnes, he is faithfull and iust to forgiue vs our sinnes, and to clense vs from all vnrighteousnesse.","proofs":["1 John 1:9"],"refs":[{"printed":"1 John 1:9","osis":["1John.1.9"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Hee exhorteth his erring people to repent, and doe their first workes: neither refuseth hee the sinner that repenteth, as appeareth in the example of the Prodigall sonne, and of the debter.","segments":[{"text":"Hee exhorteth his erring people to repent, and doe their first workes:","proofs":["Revelation 2:5, 16"],"refs":[{"printed":"Revelation 2:5, 16","osis":["Rev.2.5","Rev.2.16"]}],"note":null},{"text":"neither refuseth hee the sinner that repenteth, as appeareth in the example of the Prodigall sonne,","proofs":["Luke 15:20"],"refs":[{"printed":"Luke 15:20","osis":["Luke.15.20"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and of the debter.","proofs":["Matthew 18:26"],"refs":[{"printed":"Matthew 18:26","osis":["Matt.18.26"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"God then being so gratious, and mercifull, man after his ensample is both by all good meanes to prouoke sinners vnto repentance, and they testifying the same to receiue them into fauour.","segments":[{"text":"God then being so gratious, and mercifull, man after his ensample is both by all good meanes to prouoke sinners vnto repentance, and they testifying the same to receiue them into fauour.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"So did S. Paul will the Galatians. Brethren (saith hee) if a man be fallen by occasion into any fault, yea which are spirituall, restore such one with the spirit of meekenes, considering thy selfe, least thou also be tempted.","segments":[{"text":"So did S. Paul will the Galatians. Brethren (saith hee) if a man be fallen by occasion into any fault, yea which are spirituall, restore such one with the spirit of meekenes, considering thy selfe, least thou also be tempted.","proofs":["Galatians 6:1"],"refs":[{"printed":"Galatians 6:1","osis":["Gal.6.1"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"So did hee enioyne the Corinthians, when hee saide","segments":[{"text":"So did hee enioyne the Corinthians, when hee saide","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"If anie hath caused sorrowe, the same hath not made me sorie, but partly (least I should more charge him) you all. It is sufficient vnto the same man, that he was rebuked of many. So that nowe contrarywise yee ought rather to forgiue, and comfort (him) least the same should be swallowed yp with ouermuch heauinesse.","segments":[{"text":"If anie hath caused sorrowe, the same hath not made me sorie, but partly (least I should more charge him) you all. It is sufficient vnto the same man, that he was rebuked of many. So that nowe contrarywise yee ought rather to forgiue, and comfort (him) least the same should be swallowed yp with ouermuch heauinesse.","proofs":["2 Corinthians 2:5–7"],"refs":[{"printed":"2 Corinthians 2:5–7","osis":["2Cor.2.5-2Cor.2.7"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"When also he said, Receiue him (meaning Ouesinus.","segments":[{"text":"When also he said, Receiue him (meaning Ouesinus.","proofs":["Philemon 12"],"refs":[{"printed":"Philemon 12","osis":["Phlm.1.12"]}],"note":null}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"And so teach the Churches.","segments":[{"text":"And so teach the Churches.","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Confess. Helv. 2. c. 14. Bohem. c. 5. August. ar. 11. Saxon. ar. 3. 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N. spirit. land. c. 33. § 3. c. 34. § 11. c. 37. § 8. and Proverbs c. 5. § 15. and Crying voice § 6."}],"items":[]},{"question":"","answer":"Lastly, the desperate, whose sinnes being either most infinite, or abominable, they thinke how God hee neither can, nor will forgiue them: such in times past were Kaine, and Iudas, in our fathers Franciscus Spira, and one Doctor Kraus, and in our daies, Bolton euen hee that first hatched that sect in England, which afterward was tearmed Brownisme.","segments":[{"text":"Lastly, the desperate, whose sinnes being either most infinite, or abominable, they thinke how God hee neither can, nor will forgiue them: such in times past were Kaine,","proofs":["Genesis 4"],"refs":[{"printed":"Genesis 4","osis":["Gen.4"]}],"note":null},{"text":"and Iudas,","proofs":["Acts 1"],"refs":[{"printed":"Acts 1","osis":["Acts.1"]}],"note":null},{"text":"in our fathers Franciscus Spira,","proofs":[],"refs":[],"note":"Hist. Fr. 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